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 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:34 am |
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| rockystone |
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I want to know who is making money from their randomizer webiste.Even though i have 259 members i dont make money to cover my hosting charges of $4.95.People are not trusting randomizer website.Even moneyaccelerated website is closed.So what should i think.Is this end of randomizers.
Then who makes money
The answer is manish.He sells scripts and doesnt care to solve any bugs and bring new features on.I have requested many times abt to solve the bugs in the scripts,abt new features to improve randomizer name but nothin happened.Does any one know that there is a bug in this script where you can create a free account.this is one bug and there is list of many.
Manish i want to know even after you take $200 for a script and you dont care to solve a problem.All randomizers are closing down and you are making money by selling randomizer script with bugs and leaving randomizer owners with no option but to close down. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:16 am |
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| manish |
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| Joined: 12 Apr 2004 |
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| Location: India |
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Hi Pradeep,
I appreciate your post, however I think you have a misleading post here and since you have directly named me, I think I must make my point too.
| Quote: | | Even though i have 259 members i dont make money to cover my hosting charges of $4.95.People are not trusting randomizer website. |
Yes its true, your site has over 250 members, however since you charge just 60 cents for membership, its difficult to make a profit.
A customer will rarely promote his affiliate link on any paid advertisment program if he gets just 60 cents per sign up. People usually spend 100s of dollars in advertisment.
I think its a decision that you have to take about your website and cannot be generalized. Unfortunately if people do not trust site A, does not mean that they don't trust site B having the same business model. It depends on lots of things. The site popularity, the returns, the program benefits.
| Quote: | | He sells scripts and doesnt care to solve any bugs and bring new features on. |
After working day and night for you, this is the last thing I ever wanted to hear. If I remember, there are many requests you made which got incorporated in the V3.1
1. Total users tag
2. Total site payout plugin.
There are other requests in the forum that have made their way into the new version. Its difficult to include each and every request in the script since many of the requests are simply too specific and cannot be generalized,
Your idea to modify random payment system (like matrix) may not be appreciated by other members. Whenever there is a "popular" demand for certain feature, we make sure its available in the next release.
| Quote: | | Manish i want to know even after you take $200 for a script and you dont care to solve a problem |
Sorry, its not $200, its just $79.95 which includes life time free upgrades.
Probably we should do it like the other sites that force members to pay annual subscription fee for receiving upgrades. But no, we have not done it and will never do it.
We spend a good amount of time in the development of new version and in supporting our existing client base. Yes its true that in the last month or so support has been a little slow but there were reasons for it. I am glad that most of our clients understood the situation and wish to thank all of them.
| Quote: | | All randomizers are closing down and you are making money by selling randomizer script with bugs and leaving randomizer owners with no option but to close down. |
I request you to support your statements with facts.
Sincerely
Manish |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:43 pm |
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| rockystone |
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[quote="manish"]Hi Pradeep,
I appreciate your post, however I think you have a misleading post here and since you have directly named me, I think I must make my point too.
| Quote: | | Even though i have 259 members i dont make money to cover my hosting charges of $4.95.People are not trusting randomizer website. |
| Quote: | | Yes its true, your site has over 250 members, however since you charge just 60 cents for membership, its difficult to make a profit. |
You must be knowing that most people think that randomizers are scam.
So people will join randomizer with low fees rather than randomizer with higher fees.
To make randomizes work i requested feature manual control of rotation but didnt got any response.After wards i requested 2 second random member payment option so that more payments are made when any new member joins.
My main purpose is that people earn from my site and thatz why i do away with admin fees and increase sponsor member fees and random member fees.
| Quote: | | A customer will rarely promote his affiliate link on any paid advertisment program if he gets just 60 cents per sign up. People usually spend 100s of dollars in advertisment. |
My members are promoting their affiliate link.Who doesnt want to earn $0.90 daily.
| Quote: | | I think its a decision that you have to take about your website and cannot be generalized. Unfortunately if people do not trust site A, does not mean that they don't trust site B having the same business model. It depends on lots of things. The site popularity, the returns, the program benefits. |
I have seen at many forum that randomizers are scam.Even paypal terms are against randomizers.
| Quote: | | He sells scripts and doesnt care to solve any bugs and bring new features on. |
| Quote: | After working day and night for you, this is the last thing I ever wanted to hear. If I remember, there are many requests you made which got incorporated in the V3.1
1. Total users tag
2. Total site payout plugin.
There are other requests in the forum that have made their way into the new version. Its difficult to include each and every request in the script since many of the requests are simply too specific and cannot be generalized, |
Forget about new features you have not solved a simple bug problem where admin banner is rotated more times than member banners.Even
when random winners is chosen admin is selected 99% times.
| Quote: | | Your idea to modify random payment system (like matrix) may not be appreciated by other members. Whenever there is a "popular" demand for certain feature, we make sure its available in the next release. |
I requested manual rotation of member id's
| Quote: | | Manish i want to know even after you take $200 for a script and you dont care to solve a problem |
| Quote: | | Sorry, its not $200, its just $79.95 which includes life time free upgrades. |
But i have paid around $150
$79.95 is recently introduced price.
| Quote: | | Probably we should do it like the other sites that force members to pay annual subscription fee for receiving upgrades. But no, we have not done it and will never do it. |
| Quote: | | We spend a good amount of time in the development of new version and in supporting our existing client base. Yes its true that in the last month or so support has been a little slow but there were reasons for it. I am glad that most of our clients understood the situation and wish to thank all of them. |
But there was no support also before mumbai floods.
| Quote: | | All randomizers are closing down and you are making money by selling randomizer script with bugs and leaving randomizer owners with no option but to close down. |
| Quote: | | I request you to support your statements with facts. |
moneyaccelerated.com is closed.Other randomizers who has only few members from last few months are takin their last breath.they soon will close down like mine.
Bottom line that you make money and we lose.
Only 1 out of 1000 randomizer is successful coz they have solve the bugs by themselves and made changes in the script.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:17 am |
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| manish |
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Hi Pradeep,
Your idea that randomizer websites are complete scams is "personal". One cannot generalize this statement as it cannot apply to all sites. Yes agreed some randomizer sites were flop, not because of our script, but because of many other reasons (too high fee, no product or services, no advertisment). If it was only on script how is it that even your website has over 250 members? Do all problems start only after 250 members? Its a simple business strategy, promotion works for somedays and then dies, you have to continuously look for new promotional strategies to keep your site alive. Its unfortunate and unjust if you squarely blame "the script" for all your problems.
If you take a look on very old "requests new feature thread", you would notice that someone before you had also asked for changes in the "random" payment and his idea was highly critized by the community because no one wanted a change / control on random payments. Although I appreciate your feedback, however, we cannot introduce control on random payment or ability to control random payments for the entire script. If you need this feature for your randomizer, you may email our development team and I will be happy to send you a reasonable quote for the same.
Paypal is against MLM business in general. However there are many websites using our script as a general affiliate program and use PayPal without any problem. Paypal is very clear in their policy regarding this program and if you work according to the policy there is no reason why they will shut down your account. However I am not a paypal expert, you must consult them to see if they allow your site or not. If they don't, you can simply turn off the payment processor from admin area.
If I am correct, you had a lease license and were governed by its terms. Infact you got a 50% discount when you purchased owned license. The $79.95 option was very much available when you went for a lease license.
If a particular randomizer shuts down does not mean that everyone is closing. Yes there are sites who are struggling to make a profit, but thats applicable to any business model. There are websites in autosurf business that have closed, many paid-to read business sites have closed, it doesn't mean these businesses are scam or that they are dead. It simply means that the particular site in question needs to investigate what is causing their downfall and change strategies accordingly. To blame everything on the script is not the solution. If your site is low on new sign ups, you need to track your logs, is your site down too much?, did you make any recent changes after which the sales dropped? Its a simple QnA that you need to ask yourself. If you need assistance in diagonosing why your site is performing poorly, email me and I will surely take a look into your logs.
Cheers!
Manish |
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| Sorry Manish - have to jump in here... | |
| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:02 pm |
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| torr61 |
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Not all randomizers are scams. Is yours? Are you scamming people? Those of us who want to make it work have to fight this all the time. Now we have to fight each other?
First off - I have only been around for a little over a month - not alot of customers, true - but you have to be patient.
In defending the script that you are quick to dismiss, I have 5 scripts - all running on the same site. I also make it very clear to people that they get what they put in. They can join for $14 on my site, and if they promote the affiliate URL, they earn $5 - so after 3 signups, their account just paid for itself. Not bad for a lifetime of advertising.
I bill the site as an Advertising Community. I have more features than JUST the randomizers. But the Advertising platform is the randomizer script. With it I can build a member network, and have the banner displayed on the members sites.
I am constantly adding new features, my current project is to add a Traffic Exchange program.
The key to any business is to find what the people want, make it interesting, get them to keep coming back - not to "set it and forget it". If someone signs up for a randomizer and there is nothing else to do with the site - he'll leave the advertising up to you and wait for his money. Ok, now you have a member who doesn't help you. But he wants his money. And you are left with finding new ways to advertise for him. Get the members active on your site. The whole point is to get your site seen as much as possible. Everywhere - Anywhere.
And Manish is right, you have to charge more than 60 cents if you expect to make any money. Of course don't over charge either. Leave yourself room for promotions and discounts. In case you didn't know - thats a marketing ploy.
But hey - its your site, your time and money. Do what you feel is best. Me - I want to keep the members coming back and becoming active in the promotion of the site - by promoting my site - they are increasing their visibilty on the net too.
Manish has been working long hard hours to complete the new script. And from what I understand, with some really cool features. I can wait for the header. Thats the least of my worries.
I would have to say that I have about $1,000 into the site already. But I expect it to grow, and I expect to see that money back. You need to earn your customers trust and show that you intend to be around long after others have given up.
Good luck to you! |
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